[Russell]

در مورد بحث با آندد، من چند نکته بنظرم میرسه.
یکی اینکه، من بنظرم اتفاقا بهشت مفهوم بسیار جالبی میاد، اگر از این منظر بهش گاه کنیم
که سلسله مراتب را در اون جهان هم حفظ میکنه.
درباره‌یِ ایراد آندد به شهادت و اشاره‌یِ اون به اینکه مرگ همه چیز یا هیچ چیز هست.
اول اینکه هزینه دادن همواره صفر و صد نیست. مرگ نهایت هزینه و خودکشی برای شرافت نهایت
آزمون هست، هزینه‌ها و آزمون‌هایِ دیگر همیشه هست و بنظر میرسه فاسدترین فرمانرویان قدیم دربرابر طبقه‌یِ
حاکم امروز بر جهان که 60 تا پاسپورت توی جیبشون دارند در حکم جنگجویان دلیری هستند.
نظر من دشمن در اینجا میتونه نعمتی باشه:

Valerian (/vəˈlɪəriən/; Latin: Publius Licinius Valerianus Augustus;[SUP][1][/SUP] 193/195/200 – 260 or 264, also known as[B]Valerian the Elder, was Roman Emperor from 253 to 260. He was taken captive by Persian king Shapur I after theBattle of Edessa, becoming the only Roman Emperor who was captured as a prisoner of war, causing instability in the Empire.
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Eutropius, writing between 364-378, stated that Valerianus "was overthrown by Sapor king of Persia, and being soon after made prisoner, grew old in ignominious slavery among the Parthians.".[SUP][8][/SUP] An early Christian source, Lactantius, thought to be virulently anti-Persian, thanks to the occasional persecution of Christians by some Sasanian monarchs,[SUP][9][/SUP] maintained that for some time prior to his death Valerian was subjected to the greatest insults by his captors, such as being used as a human footstool by Shapur when mounting his horse. According to this version of events, after a long period of such treatment Valerian offered Shapur a huge ransom for his release. In reply, according to one version, Shapur was said to have forced Valerian to swallow molten gold (the other version of his death is almost the same but it says that Valerian was killed by being flayed alive) and then had the unfortunate Valerian skinned and his skin stuffed with straw and preserved as a trophy in the main Persian temple. It was further alleged that it was only after a later Persian defeat against Rome that his skin was given a cremation and burial.[SUP][10][/SUP]The captivity and death of Valerian has been frequently debated by historians without any definitive conclusion.[SUP][9][/SUP][/B][/B]

و البته ایراد در فساد او فرد در مملکت‌داری پیدا میشه نه چرندیاتی که در فلسفه‌یِ اخلاق امروز بعنوان مساله مطرح میشه.
و البته همه‌یِ ما میدونیم فانی هستیم، و بدترین مرگ وقتی اتفاق میافته که تکنولوژی حقیقتا به پیروزی نهایی برسه.